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hey everybody i'm bill bankston

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president of the sse

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uh thanks for coming and watching this

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and this very weird

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coveted-based year normally obviously we

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would have our annual meetings and we'd

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have all sorts of good talks and i'd

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give a presidential address and all that

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i guess it's just covet happens so

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instead you're sitting in my study

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and i'm talking to a camera and we'll

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make the best of it

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we got no plan b anyway uh

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the general idea behind my very short

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talk will be

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first a self-serving uh overview the ssc

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for just a couple of minutes

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talk about some society benefits and how

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my my presidential address so to speak

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which in turn will be short uh my

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editorial

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more than anything else will be that

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those of us who look into

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uh scientific anomalies have spent in my

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opinion

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too much time letting the critics decide

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what the agenda is and i think it's time

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now to tell the critics go away

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or come up with something that's really

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interesting or something that's

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particularly relevant but we don't we

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don't need to define ourselves by

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how others see us it's it's time to move

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on and i'll give you a couple of

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examples from my healing research

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and then we'll look at some implications

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and applications

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this will be a low tech talk

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so i'm not going to have powerpoint

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after powerpoint after powerpoint

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actually i'm going to show you only

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three slides in a couple of minutes and

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the rest of the time

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as much as we can we'll hang out we'll

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talk we'll see see what happens

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so let's start out by looking at where

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the ssc came from

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and how we got to where we are

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the the ssc mythology is that

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uh bob john who at the time was uh of

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the dean of engineering

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uh and applied science at princeton

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university was on sabbatical

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at stanford uh and he gave a talk on

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consciousness and and the possibility of

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studying various consciousness

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related phenomena that were outside of

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the mainstream

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and one of the people in the audience

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was peter stuart and peter was very much

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impressed by bob's talk

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bob of course was an impressive speaker

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they started talking and

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peter from stanford and bob from

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princeton said

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why don't we try to figure out how we

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can do some real serious work in these

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various areas and so they a friendship

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was born peter of course ended up being

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uh the first president of the ssc bob

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john i think was the longest-serving

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officer

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uh and he was vice president for a whole

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bunch of years

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but then he meant uh i think it was in

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1981

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that bob and peter got a number of

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scholars

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together to start a founding committee

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which started to grow and grow and grow

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and apparently there was a

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pretty much of a call out there an unmet

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need if you will

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for scientists to have a slightly

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out a place to get together

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share ideas and such so peter and bob

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uh peter from stanford bob from

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princeton got together with george abell

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at ucla

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and tom gold at cornell and ian

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stevenson at the university of virginia

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virginia marcelo trussy from eastern

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michigan and and

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then and apparently this which precedes

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uh grew to be more than a hundred people

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who got together

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uh and and and uh to try to start this

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scientific society virtually all the

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founders

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and i have met some but not all

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virtually all the founders

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had academic appointments at many times

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very prestigious universities

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uh and they basically the thing that

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drew them together

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was they recognized the difficulty of

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conducting scientific

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work in unorthodox areas and so

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the first meeting of the council was at

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the national academy of sciences in

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and the first meeting of the society for

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scientific explanation

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exploration uh was at the university of

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maryland in june

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of 1982. i came along my first meeting

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was in 1999 and i had never heard of the

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ssc

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i went to this meeting a friend dragged

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me and said come and talk a little bit

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about some of your healing research

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i said who are these people and then i

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got to the meeting and i went oh my god

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who are these people

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this was different the ssc is a little

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bit different

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and so now fast forwarding

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uh we have membership in 27 countries

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we hold annual meetings in the u.s

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unless we're being coveted

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we hold bi-annual meetings in europe

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unless we're coveted

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we have memberships which are available

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for active researchers and academics

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we have memberships for the general

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public we have student memberships

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and of course we have in addition to

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these meetings where

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everybody tries to come together we have

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academic journal uh the journal of

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scientific exploration

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and we also publish ed's edge science

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uh for the general public so we got a

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lot of stuff

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and as as far as i'm aware the ssc is

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the first scientific society

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uh devoted to the rigorous study of

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scientific anomalies

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there have been certainly general

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interest areas but we're talking about

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trying to start an academic society or

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at least it came out of academia

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where you're looking at systematic data

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you're doing formal studies and you're

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trying to get to the bottom

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of what all these anomalies uh might be

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which is kind of unique is that we're a

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society and and what that means simply

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we put all the scientific anomalies

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so there's within the tent if you're

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unorthodox areas like parapsychology

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it fits come on join us if you're a

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alternative healing

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it fits if you're doing consciousness

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studies of various stripes it fits if

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you're doing remote viewing if you're

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mediumship if you're studying

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if let's go to physical sciences if

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you're studying zero point energy

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you're studying you get the idea

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and we all come together now this has a

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particular advantage

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you're studying healing and your main

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area of interest is in healing but

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sitting and listening and meeting to

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all the research that's going on in

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these other anomalies

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helps us to make connections so that

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little silo

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so too many people sit in their little

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silo and they

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and the silo can be i'm studying

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unorthodox things and i want to be left

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it's not orthodox versus unorthodox in

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unorthodox there's also

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the subtle energy crowd zero-point

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etc etc how about we

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who are looking at these various

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anomalies the things that don't make

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according to our current understanding

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of the way the world works

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can we get together and can we see what

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so yeah your main interest might be in

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but sit down and listen to the studies

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and see what what what goes what clicks

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and it turns out a lot of stuff clicks

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so we're a generalist society we're not

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so the the founders way back when uh

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institutional resistance if you're at

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unorthodox well you better have the

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of someone like bob john or you're not

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going to get away with it

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you certainly don't want to get into

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this stuff if you're a full

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of first-tier assistant professor

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recently out of grad school uh this can

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and and so the founders said you know we

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gotta take we gotta we gotta pull back

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in this institutional resistance

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and make this a little bit more

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inclusive and and

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let's let's talk about academic freedom

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and let's talk about what we really can

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there's still to this day so we're

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there is still official uh resistance

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um in many departments and many

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universities uh you're going to find

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people who say

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you know you're talking about why don't

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you do something that's real

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um that's still there that's still

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within academia i think it's

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lessening the interesting observation i

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is that even if there's institutional

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there's still a boatload of folks in

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departments and universities who

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are interested in this stuff they're

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interested but they kind of

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peek out and they don't know where to go

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and they don't know how to find

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connections they don't know how to

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unorthodox areas and i think this may be

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much more open to these things

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um than than older folks

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joining us and and and looking around so

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um it it's a reasonably interesting uh

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society

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so let me transition to a couple of

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comments i want to make

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calling it a presidential address i'd

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if we look at the data

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on the various anomalies that ssc folks

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look at they're overwhelming

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i mean let's let's let's come on you

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know you can talk about

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remote viewing and

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the number of studies that members and

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non-members have done on remote viewing

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and there's going to be a whole bunch of

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critics out there who are going to say

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well remote viewing is nonsense i mean

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come on

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you can't you can't see things at a

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great distance it

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it violates all our principles or go to

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healing you know i study healing and i

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study the labs you know so we i get

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i get cancerous mice and i treat them

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i'll show you a couple ugly pictures a

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little bit

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but i get cancerous mice and i treat

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them and the mice get better well come

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on that can't be it's not possible

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i don't need the critic i don't need to

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look at the data

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because the the question of the claim is

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ridiculous

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it doesn't make sense it's actually what

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an anomaly means it doesn't make sense

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based on our current understanding of

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the way the world works so

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the anomalies don't make sense based on

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our understanding of the way the world

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works

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but critics have said since it's

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impossible

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we don't need to look at the data and

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like four or five seconds of reflection

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and you see the absurdity of that kind

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of a

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yet at the same time is my observation

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we've spent too much time responding to

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dumb people

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they're dumb

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so i've watched for example and no names

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here just

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a general theme i've watched for example

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parapsychologists

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rehashing in the face of criticism

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studies which could really be traced

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back to jb

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ryan in the 1930s now it's a whole bunch

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of years later

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jb ryan did this he had pluses he had

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minuses

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at the time you know he had pretty much

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state of the art studies

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but they can be supplanted with more

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refined studies and all that no

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no argument there but the phenomenon

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for crying out loud it's been

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established

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you don't ask someone you ought not to

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ask someone

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do you believe in such a thing as let's

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keep it

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why i mean why why do i have to believe

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in it i mean

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there is psy i'm sorry there is

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do you believe in healing no i don't

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believe in healing i date on healing

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belief isn't scientific and belief

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comes in various flavors

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there are people who believe every claim

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is true

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and there are people who believe every

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claim is false

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now from my point of view they're

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roughly the same

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they vary only in direction but there's

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no

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thinking

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and my observation is there's very few

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skeptical scientists

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a skepticism is rare i think

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more people believe so i i believe in

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remote viewing i don't believe it wrong

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i mean you know

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again it's a little silly are the data

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there

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and the answer is yes yes

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so skepticism and it's hard to find a

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good skeptic

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skepticism i think is pretty rare out

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there

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particularly when you deal with

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unorthodox phenomena

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i've gone for example to i've been

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invited to speak at

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um skeptic societies and i walk into a

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room

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you know that's the such and such

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skeptic society and

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and everybody's sitting like this and

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they're all they're holding a pretzel

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and as i walk in i usually start by

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insulting them which is

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my superpower uh and i start by

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insulting them and i say

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you know i'm the only skeptic in the

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room and you know then they get all work

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bent out of nowhere there's

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such-and-such skeptic society

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i'd say you're not really skeptics

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you're mindless believers no no no we're

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skeptics

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you're believers you believe that

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everything i haven't yet said is wrong

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and you don't even know what it is i'm

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gonna say but since i'm coming and i'm

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saying i'm studying

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healing and we all know healing's

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impossible

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we already know you're wrong that's not

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a skeptic

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that's a believer and the interesting

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thing is this

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when you finish the talk to a skeptic

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society they don't know what to do

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particularly if it's databased and they

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they go

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they're looking around they're not sure

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how to react and

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they're trying to of course maintain

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their order in the pecking order of the

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skeptic society

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so they'll try to wait till everybody

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leaves the auditorium and then they'll

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they'll come up to me and go that was

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great and then they'll run away and i go

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it's okay

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skeptic everybody here's not a skeptic

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they're believers

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anyway i must i am recommending

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that we not be defined by our critics

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i'm recommending that we are defined

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by the quality of our data and then

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hopefully

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we're defined not only by the quality of

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our data

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we're defined by the quality of our

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models

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which help explain the data and lead us

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to a new understanding of the way the

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so the what i call first order questions

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are is the stuff real

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is remote viewing real is healing real

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is this

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real is that real and by real again i

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only believe

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i mean are there data that can overwhelm

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and be extremely convincing and it's

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time to

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you got critics in the beginning and i

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think that's appropriate but once the

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data

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if you it at the pear lab at princeton

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they had almost 30 years of controlled

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studies on remote viewing

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and whether or not the question of

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whether or not consciousness can affect

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a random number

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generator it can it can

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i mean the 31st year wouldn't have

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changed anything

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it's enough already it's time to focus

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on second order questions

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not is it real but rather what are the

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conditions and and what is what are some

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of the correlates and then ultimately of

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course

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the motherlode question is how does this

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stuff work

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but not is the stuff real so i'm going

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to give you a quick

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down and dirty example from some um so

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my healing research

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um i have many of you know this uh i

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have

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18 uh mouse experiments at this point

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healing cancer in mice uh i've done

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these at six different medical schools

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uh three additional biology labs i have

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on innumerable

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in vitro experiments on cells and and

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the first the first order question is is

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healing real

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i mean it's a stupid question to me at

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this point this is not to say

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that all claims are real it's not to say

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that everybody who

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says this or that about healing is is is

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real or accurate or anything like that

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but the the phenomenon that there is

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such a thing as anomalous healing

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is isn't is no longer an interesting

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question what's interesting is

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the second order questions who can do it

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how can it be done you know etc etc so

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i'm going to try

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and not screw this up here but i'm going

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to try to put up three slides

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nice and simple i'm hoping this works

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now i'm hoping that you all can see a

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picture of an ugly looking mouse here so

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what i do in my studies is very simple

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i take something that's already widely

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known something that's already widely

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understood

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something that's conventionally

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recognized

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this is what you're looking at is a

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mouse with cancer

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and it's got a big tumor and it's ugly

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and all that kind of stuff and this

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this particular mouse and this

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particular mouse model is very very well

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understood and there's 2000

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uh publications on it and all of that

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and what i do

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in my simple way of thinking is i add a

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single variable

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so i add the variable this is a picture

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of me

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a recent study we did at brown

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university at the medical school there

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and i dress funny and i wear masks and

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this is before copen

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and and i do all those kinds of things

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and then i try a healing technique that

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i made up

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on cancerous mice like you just saw and

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what happens is reasonably interesting

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the mice instead of dying get a an

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anomalous

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ulceration and that grows to ugly size

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the ugly size ulceration then implodes

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so that's reasonably interesting

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so let me see if i can now stop sharing

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and go back

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here and see if i am

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okay so i'm hoping i'm back

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so some second order questions

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not is there healing i'm going to show

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you three quick slides yes there's

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healing

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does distance matter see i'm not asking

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whether it's healing

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does distance matter does dose matter

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does the number of mice in an experiment

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matter

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does healing progress in a linear

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fashion

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is there a connection between a healer

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and a healey

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does healing change anything in the

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physical space

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does the mindset of the healer matter

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can healing be stored these are second

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order questions

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and i can answer most of these so why

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not i'm here

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does distance matter no

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i can defend that in an entire talk but

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does distance matter

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no whether the mice are here or the mice

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are a thousand miles away

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doesn't matter at all is there a dose

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response

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yes something real something modelable

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is occurring in healing and there is a

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dose response it's a complex problem

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but at this point i'm reasonably

576
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confident that there's a dose response

577
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,520
does the number of mice in an experiment

578
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,640
matter yes

579
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,720
and here's an interesting phenomenon the

580
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,640
more mice in an experiment the faster

581
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,640
they collectively cure

582
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:51,600
try to make sense out of that is healing

583
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,320
linear

584
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:55,520
no it goes in sudden phase

585
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,440
transition shifts that's interesting

586
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,360
are there measurable connections between

587
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:02,640
healer and healing

588
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,919
yes i got a boatload of studies on eegs

589
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,919
and functional mris and all that

590
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,960
and i can show connections at vast

591
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,000
distances

592
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,200
between healer and healey

593
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:16,799
is there any measurable change in the

594
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:20,000
physical space yes

595
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:23,679
we can go in the lineage of bill tiller

596
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:26,880
changes in physical space

597
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,159
occur in healing

598
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,400
we can see it as an introduction

599
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,200
reduction in entropy

600
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,520
random number generators in the room

601
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,280
where healing is happening

602
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,080
don't produce random numbers it's as if

603
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,080
there's an insertion of information into

604
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,390
does belief matter probably hurts

605
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,799
probably hurts disbelievers

606
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,960
non-believers skeptics that i think do

607
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,320
the best job of healing

608
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,080
and skeptics are actually the best

609
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,559
healeys in the case of

610
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,159
mice i don't think they're that

611
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:04,559
skeptical is there a particular state of

612
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,039
mind

613
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,320
necessary in healing no just get out of

614
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,960
the way let healing happen

615
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,919
can it be stored yes this is what i'm

616
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,200
currently working on

617
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,520
not going to discuss it today but can

618
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:18,960
can we actually

619
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,320
take healing store it in a device

620
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,679
in a battery in a recording

621
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,600
in a you see it where i'm going with

622
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,240
this and thereby make it scalable

623
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,559
if we can make it scalable we also have

624
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,080
the possibility of making it

625
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,280
conventional so these are second order

626
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,799
questions you come to me and say

627
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,000
you think there's such a thing as

628
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,120
healing get away from me

629
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,279
how can we store healing well what do

630
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:49,039
you got so far i'll tell you what i got

631
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,559
let's see what you got let's gather some

632
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,430
so we got sse members all over the place

633
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,840
working on all sorts of stuff

634
00:24:01,269 --> 00:24:00,480
consciousness studies i mean if you just

635
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,279
to study the

636
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,200
the output of the pear lab from bob and

637
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039
brenda it's astonishing

638
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:07,679
uh look at roger nelson keeping the ball

639
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,480
going

640
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,880
with the global consciousness look at

641
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,559
dean raden's work on

642
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:13,919
pretty much anything quantum

643
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,640
entanglement etc etc

644
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,279
zero point energy studies by garrett

645
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,279
modell and others

646
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,320
mediumship studies that he here do you

647
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:25,679
believe in mediumship

648
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,279
well i don't know

649
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,520
julie by shell has a quintuple block

650
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,679
quintuple blinded study

651
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:35,679
on mediumship i mean what do you want

652
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:39,279
after a quintuple blind study

653
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,000
physical mediumship steve browdy

654
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,760
we got a whole group looking at

655
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:48,240
technology so i'm building a technology

656
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,120
of healing

657
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,000
we got yuri krone we got john mcmichael

658
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,679
we got a whole bunch of folks working on

659
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:55,360
various technologies

660
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,080
trying to scale this thing up and so so

661
00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:03,039
the bottom line the take-home question

662
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:05,000
it's time to move from

663
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,799
belief-based criticism it's stupid

664
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,480
second-order questions are much more

665
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:12,960
interesting i mean let's

666
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,159
esp is real healing is real

667
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,880
remote viewing is real doesn't mean

668
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,080
every claim is real

669
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:22,000
doesn't mean everybody can do it doesn't

670
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,360
mean anything like that

671
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,760
it means there's something in there that

672
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,559
we can put

673
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,200
our we can sink our teeth into and we

674
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:30,880
can stop being defensive for crying out

675
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,279
loud

676
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,320
the central scientific question is how

677
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:35,919
does it work

678
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,520
and that yeah it's hard it's hard that's

679
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,559
the benefit of coming under a big tent

680
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,880
you come under a big tent and you see

681
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,200
all the stuff that people in the various

682
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,320
anomalistic areas are working on that's

683
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,159
interesting

684
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,320
can we get a glimmer get out of your

685
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,440
silo

686
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,000
sure i study healing but what do i learn

687
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,559
from the remote viewing people

688
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,880
what do i learn from the you know you

689
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,000
get the idea

690
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:05,760
can we build a whole bunch of testable

691
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,480
hypotheses yes and if we test them

692
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,559
we don't ask for belief here's the

693
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,159
tested hypothesis

694
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,000
talk about my methodology see where i

695
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,240
screwed up did i screw up if i haven't

696
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,720
screwed up and the thing is repeatable

697
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,840
start to pay attention test it for

698
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,120
yourself

699
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,640
and of course the thing that's really

700
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:29,600
interesting to the younger generation

701
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:33,120
how can we use this stuff i gave a talk

702
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:33,760
on

703
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,960
some research at some place out west

704
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,480
university of washington

705
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,640
and we were talking to a bunch of people

706
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,480
of various ages

707
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,520
and it was the older folks

708
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,360
who were looking at this going wow look

709
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:49,039
at this and this and do you believe do

710
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,240
you not believe you know that

711
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,240
you're waiting back at the beginning and

712
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:53,919
had a good discussion with some

713
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,279
young folks um and the young folks said

714
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,960
well of course this stuff is real how do

715
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,880
we use it and

716
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,960
how do we experience it and so

717
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,799
generationally i think the thing that

718
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,960
people are interested in is personal

719
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,080
experience

720
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,799
and just practicality how do we use it

721
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,159
how do we use healing

722
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,240
how do we scale it how do we use remote

723
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,400
viewing how do we use how do we use how

724
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,630
if we look at the anomalies

725
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,559
there are some serious scientific

726
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,799
implications

727
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,320
and some of them you can see why it

728
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,559
drives some folks crazy

729
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,440
and on the other hand there's an

730
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,200
incredible potential

731
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,320
for opening up a world and

732
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,440
opening up new worlds so let's let's

733
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,840
just take a couple of them if we look at

734
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,880
the assumptions

735
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,200
of that scientists work under

736
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,200
experimentalist work under

737
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,000
one of the assumptions is locality

738
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,039
physical separateness means independence

739
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,399
the data in anomalies strongly indicate

740
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,600
non-locality

741
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,640
that these phenomena don't respect time

742
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,320
don't respect distance and they don't

743
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,039
respect time

744
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,600
if phenomena can be outside of distance

745
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,799
and time

746
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,799
what are the implications for

747
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,159
experimental design

748
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:16,320
and what are the implications for how

749
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,470
the data can indicate experimenter

750
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,240
effects so

751
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,600
if different people run the same

752
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,760
experiment independent observers

753
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,440
and they get different results what does

754
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,279
this mean what are the implications for

755
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,720
experimental design

756
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,320
what is this what are the implications

757
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,480
for our understanding of how the world

758
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,480
may work and it's pretty obvious if you

759
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,080
start thinking about this stuff

760
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,840
that the world doesn't work in the way

761
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,360
the textbooks say

762
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,640
that it works so

763
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,720
lots of opportunities for research lots

764
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,720
of opportunity for investigation

765
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,559
i think we have a public right for

766
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,760
participation

767
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,279
i think more and more institutions are

768
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,000
open to these kinds of things

769
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,919
but let's not just respond to critics

770
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,679
let's lead the way let's not be

771
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,919
defensive about all this stuff so

772
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,880
if you're watching this you're

773
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:09,520
interested in anomalies come check us

774
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:10,000
out